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wv2323 said... (original post) You don't even need the "late start/ built from scratch" caveat/excuse.Every program isn't the same. Every situation isn't the same. We might lose t... show more Agree to disagree on the first part. I don't see it as an excuse. I see it as a legitimate factor to consider if the discussion is 'why did team A seem to get it together faster than team B'. Though, agree on the second half, given that Oklahoma State managed to lose to Tulsa before getting their ***** together. The transitive property doesn't exist in football, at the macro or micro level.